Justin & Leigh

Episode 231


The Deepest Silence You’ve Ever Known

“Tuning into silence is just taking time to listen to nothing in particular… just tuning into the simple essence of what is.”

The WHO has ranked noise pollution as only second to air pollution in its impact on human well being. Our world has become noisier and noisier. We’re constantly bombarded with stimuli and notifications  competing for our attention. As a result, it’s becoming harder than ever to disconnect from external chaos and sink into the depths within.

Justin Zorn & Leigh Marz are the authors of Golden: The Power of Silence in a World of Noise. Their perspectives and work on reclaiming the presence of silence in our lives has been taught to the U.S. Congress, Harvard, and Google. Justin & Leigh are committed to empowering people to reclaim silence in their lives – so they can experience the joy of connection, rest, and deep listening.

Justin & Leigh are here to remind us that silence does exist in the world. We just have to find it, honor it, and sink into it. In turn, we’ll experience mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual health benefits.



I love how embodied Justin & Leigh are with their message around silence. The conversation we had was so rich and mindful. Together, we unpacked the psychology and science of silence from so many different angles and perspectives.


Key takeaways include: 

  • Defining silence.
  • Silence, noise and their relationship with productivity & GDP.
  • Understanding health issues & life years lost because of auditory noise.
  • Becoming aware of our internal noise.
  • Differentiating between stress & aliveness.
  • How to tune into silence.
  • How Cyrus Habib became a connoisseur of creation.
  • Seeking ‘eudaimonia’.
  • Exploring the discomfort of being.
  • Why Pythagoras required members of his inner circle to spend five years in silence.
  • And more…


If you’re ready to allow silence to be your greatest teacher, tune into this powerful episode to learn how to embody the practice of silence. In turn, you’ll discover how to access new depths of who you are through connectedness, slowness, and pristine quite.  



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Blown away. Spoke to the US Congress, NASA, Google – how to reclaim presence in our lives through silence. Such a practical application of mindfulness. I can tell when people embody their message and Justin and Leigh most certainly do. Such a nourishing, refreshing conversation and a potent reminder of what’s available to us when we drop into deep, palpable silence.

Go nuts on one specific subject. The whole episode about one thing (rather than the usual dancing around). A central topic – and unpack what that means in so many beautiful ways. I felt very grateful that I got to enter into a new level of awareness of silence. Expanded my definition about what it means to connect with silence. I didn’t expect it – and it was beautiful. Also, it’s fun interviewing 2 people at the same time.

Even if it’s just five seconds, can I just go as deep as possible and make those five seconds feel like a lifetime, because that is such a powerful idea that I certainly could use more of.

I realized this the other day I was having writer’s block and like just stuck in this space of not being able to be creative. And you’re both making me realize how it’s actually the key to all of it is coming back to those moments that you can just go deep and not go outside, looking for an answer or a space or something to pull you out of it. It’s not more noise. That’s going to pull you out of it. It’s actually connecting deeply with what’s present and what’s here. And so I’m just really appreciating I’m appreciating both of you right now, actually very much so.